Nov 202012
 

This will be my last post on the Slymepit, I think I’ve well and truly burned the ‘bridges’ I was supposedly trying to build there, salted the ground and pissed in the pits cornflakes. After my last post “The Slymepit is Full of Misogynists?” I was a little annoyed with the pit, I had actually tried to argue in good faith there, but partly due to my own incompetence in quoting them accurately and partly their own paranoia, it did not go well. I was branded a ‘troll’. I’ve only actually been commenting on the atheist scene since the beginning of this year and hardly bothered on the IT sites I frequent, so ‘trolling’ is pretty new to me. Although it is something I’ve been accusing the Slymepit of doing in regards to prominent members of FtBs. So I thought, fuck it, why not be the troll they accuse me of being… Warning! I’m not sure what I prove with this post other than I can be as childish as the worst Slymepitters, I also did not mean this to be some great social experiment despite how much I might want to revise history.  However I do think it is clear the Pit is not troll-proof and their total lack of tolerance when “FfTB’ers” (www.freethoughtblogs.com) or the Skepchicks (Skepchick.org) react badly to being prodded is more than a little hypocritical. Enter oolon the troll, be afraid, be very afraid…

So how do you annoy a pitter? I did think when first posting on the Slymepit that in Bizarro world what is unacceptable? Saying Rebecca Watson is great and I’m a big fan? Probably. But I just stuck for pretty ordinary piss-taking of their hyperbole about FtBs and playing on their paranoia about the FtB’ers. So really, really, easy… Trolling takes no skill. I’m not patting myself on the back here… Honest!

When prodded how does a pitter react?

They get paranoid…

 Is Oolon attempting to dox and return to the FtB fold? Why on earth would you do that publically?

… Especially if you use naughty words in your examples on how bad epithets and slurs are …

Oolon, why do you keep putting the words ‘nigger’ and ‘faggot’ in your wibble? Are you attempting a googlebomb, or something?

They curtail your ‘free speech’…

Oolon – it’s becoming impossible to read what you say without seeing you as a caricature. Well not ….. OK, goodbye, into the ignore bin you go.

… Even to the point were the “mod” starts threatening his own members with shunning.

Lsuoma wrote: Yeah, dilurk is >>THIS CLOSE<< to going on my ignore list too, due to engaging with Mr. Crazyfuck.

They edit your comments…

“oolon, slimy turd wrote:I moonlight as xxxxxx’s tampon”

oolon… seriously what is your problem. That was completely unprovoked.

… I never said they were funny!

They stalk you…

Al Stefanelli wrote: Apparently, Oolon disagrees with my blog post, today.. <oolons comment>

… Al posts my comment from his blog, this was great fun as the pit seemed totally obsessed with me – earth to pit, I’m a nobody! Being obsessed with Rebecca Watson or Surly Amy is bad enough, but me?? They literally found every comment I made and dissected and analysed it for any evidence of stupidity (Spoiler there was plenty)… As you can imagine I took to posting on purpose on some blogs to bait them (Sorry) they always took the bait, every time! I still cannot quite believe this aspect of it, even Al Stefanelli joining in — he is a respected atheist activist FFS!

They get angry…

Here’s an idea. Let’s not feed the fuck-nutted, jacked up, toadying, jizz shit that is called Oolon. Let’s stop responding to the stupid, insipid, asshat.

… Sooo much of this but Renee Hendricks won the Molly for best take down of an annoying troll.

They d0x you…

Despite the “mod” of the site, Lsuoma, supposedly being anti-d0x he never removed the references… Only the original post! So much for Slyme integrity… Even funnier is that I added an “About Me” to my blog some time back as I decided internet anonymity was a bit pointless unless I wanted to be a real troll and do and say illegal things. They didn’t know this and were happy for this obvious threat to remain, fortunately it is meaningless to me, but why do A+’ers say there is a need for “safe spaces” on the internet for atheists again? Oh yeah because idiots like them think nothing of d0x’ing people who have something to lose… JV’s doc drop…

http://skepchick.org/2012/10/secular-coalition-picks-anti-woman-leader-for-pennsylvania/

.. Thunderf00t scares Natalie Reed into silence…

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/2012/08/10/what-thunderf00t-did-and-how/

http://freethoughtblogs.com/nataliereed/2012/08/10/all-in/

–> Really this should be a sub-section under the following category…

They threaten you…

So, we should casually adopt a rule-of-thumb, if someone targets friends and family, especially someone’s elderly mother and father or enables someone else to do so, then then it should be within the rights of the aggrieved party to hunt that doxer/harasser down and stick an ice-pick into the base of their skull.
Does that seem reasonable to you?

I don’t understand why Oolon is trying to stir up shit about threats. I’ve never threatened anyone, except him. Specifically I threatened to stick an ice-pick in his ear. And it still seems like a good idea.

Well, I didn’t start this one. Apparently the honor goes to either someone involved in that Twitter exchange or one of the followers. It may be one of the “let the minions do the dirty work”. However, as it is a completely false accusation aided and abetted by The Slimy One, should it ever get to the point where they have to kind of sort of back up the “smoking gun” threat quote, it’s the grounds for a civil suit.
I’ll PM you the CPS query. It’s most entertaining.
Ool0n, poster boy for the Law of Unintended Consequences.

Oolon even after you admit to downloading child porn and sending the image off to have the Pit closed down I have no hate for you. None whatsoever. Just pity. You are really, really pathetic tit and I think you know that.
Shut the fuck up for a few days, change your fucking shit-stirring attitude and maybe people will selectively forget about you downloading kiddy porn.

… BTW the ‘kiddy porn’ was on the Slymepit, posted by one of their members. I just joked I had screen capped it and sent to their ISP/Police! If you ever want to be a pro-troll my tip would be to work child porn into it somehow, it really got them fizzing…

{edit: I see from SurelyYouGuest below (Posted ‘kiddie porn’ pic) that the Slyme-view is that I’m making myself a martyr… I can see how they might think that since it is exactly what they do whenever someone from FtBs, A+ or Skepchick treats them poorly (i.e. Bans them for trolling). Although I also thought it was clear from the humorous tone that I was not crying myself to sleep over their ‘threats’. Oh well who knows with the Slymepit, it is just as likely that they have just decided that decrying me as an imagined ‘Martyr’ to the FtB-cause is the best way to ‘beat’ me. Anything for the ‘win’ with those guys ;-) }

BUT…

The Slymepit didn’t do these things. No really… Bear with me… Individuals on the Slymepit did these things. Individuals being pushed by an annoying troll. A troll who I’d like to point out in some defence of myself never resorted to using slurs or degrading language (Not totally true, see apology below) …

If they had to deal with a real troll with no scruples who took every opportunity to degrade and demean them, what would they do?

If they had to deal with someone tweeting thousands of defamatory and insulting tweets to them, their loved ones and anyone vaguely associated with them, what would they do? (See @ElevatorGate, @SammyBoal, @XY and fricken Z)

If the trolls were more than one, they had their own site where they gossiped and giggled about every little thing you ever said and did, what would they do?

I’ll punctuate this part with a link to Rebeccas Page-o-Hate, all just trolling according to the Slymepit, she needs a thicker skin and should just ignore them… Does that view seem at all hypocritical now pitters?

http://skepchick.org/page-o-hate/

An Apology

I’d like to be seen as very clever for my ingenious trolling of the pit, obviously who doesn’t want to be seen as kinda cool n intelligent? Thing is it was motivated by annoyance and a dislike of the pit, there is nothing clever about trolling, take it from me it is the easiest thing in the world! Prod people and see how they react. So I’m only going to get shit from this post, best case I get my usual two readers, worst case I’m known as the idiot who thought trolling the pit was a good idea.

There is one post I’m ashamed of (Sorry Tony not your kiddie porn accusation!) , I knew this person was really annoyed with me and not pretending like Mykeru et al. Xie had been advised by a fellow member who told xyr to ignore me and calm down. But xie didn’t when I was in full on trolling mode and I posted this ->

What was that about the Slymepit not liking thin-skinned victims? Oh yeah they should fuck off the internet and grow a spine… :naughty:

Not my finest hour, I’m sure there are others as when trolling it is sometimes hard to maintain that rictus grin all the while and the nasty child underneath shows its face….

 

 Posted by at 10:46 pm

  35 Responses to “Trolling the Slymepit”

  1. If by “trolling” you mean uploading child pornography into a forum using a sock puppet, then yes, you sure trolled us, idiot.

    • Oh yes I just luuurve child porn! I like admitting to posting it even more :-)

      Maybe I should have clarified, my trolling required no use of sockpuppets. I posted as ‘oolon, slimy turd’ and had the sig “Oolon on the Slimepit: Not Hating You – Just Laughing At You”

      Frankly if someone gives that many signals and you don’t see they are trolling then you are not the web-fu master you purport to be.

      BTW have you still not learnt the aphorism “Do not feed the troll!” is a truism?

      • {edit: For no apparent reason I’ve taken to posting War and Peace on my blog – ain’t I intelligent!

        “Well, Prince, so Genoa and Lucca are now just family estates of the
        Buonapartes. But I warn you, if you don’t tell me that this means war,
        if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that
        Antichrist–I really believe he is Antichrist–I will have nothing more
        to do with you and you are no longer my friend, no longer my ‘faithful
        slave,’ as you call yourself! But how do you do? I see I have frightened
        you–sit down and tell me all the news.”

        {You might have thought pro-trolls could do a bit better than this? Dick Strawkins on the Slymepit: “We must be the most inept bunch of haters ever” }

  2. LOL! *You* admittedly download a porn pic that the entire community of the Slymepit is against (as it’s under-age – of legal consent – porn). stating you’re attempting to bring down the Slymepit due to something they removed immediately, and you have the *balls* to write about how twisted/wrong the members of Slymepit are? Please. You are the epitome of aslime-ball, sleazy, disgusting, two-faced, asshated, brown-noser and deserve nothing but vilification and ridicule.

    • Fair enuff, you might want to pass on the party line to Mykeru… He was attempting to insinuate I was sockpuppetting and posted the image that actually one of your members posted to the site.

      Probably better to get a consistent approach in defaming me, might be more effective that way.

      BTW Given I’m not trolling any more, I ‘joked’ about screen capping the offending image since Tuvok was displaying his usual paranoia about it being an FtB plot to destroy you all!

      • No, you’re simply an asshole. And I, for one, will be grateful to not see your slimy ass on the Slymepit any further. For that, I thank you profusely.

        • No problem Renee, I never really found anything you said on FtBs or the Pit to be particularly persuasive so I think we are obviously not on the same wavelength :-)

  3. I drink my own pee. Not because I have to. Not even because I want to. Because it’s the only way people will pay attention to me. I’m very sad.

  4. Thank fucking goodness. I’d *loathe* being on the same wavelength as you :)

    • You know I am just trolling you, but if anyone would like some really nice underage pornography, just drop me a line. I have a hard-drive full of it.

      I also drink Pitchguest’s pee.

      Excuse me, I have to have my fat and psychopathic wife thrash me within an inch of my life.

      • You are not even trying here. I actually posted my email address on the pit so there is no excuse for not getting the impersonation correct…

  5. Yo bitch. What the fuck is this muthafucking shit up in this muthafucking crib yo? Smells like some muthafucking bitch ass muthafuck ass cunt shit yo.
    Dawg? You lost your mind yo? Yo loco homes? I gots to get me some blogging on this muthafucking shit S.A.

    • Phew, thank goodness you turned up… See PZ, I did what you asked me but you told me they would be all down with it as they are cool cats. You fooled me PZ, damn you!!!11!!

      {Copyright: SammyBoals}

      {edit: Amusingly Renee and a mate on Twitter think the PZ comment proves I’m a racist cos I obviously posted it myself. I guess my SammyBoals parody was so good they couldn’t believe it was impromptu. The IP address from Middlesborough, and not a proxy there, could be released. But then I’d get accused of d0x’ing Tony Parsehole (The Pitter from Boro by an amazing co-incidence, Ay-up Tony ya divvy pillock!) who I’m sure did not make any disingenuous postings on the pit about PZ ‘commenting’ here!}

  6. CUNT! FUCK! WHORE! TWAT! RAPE! CUNT! CUNT! CUNT! CUNT!!!!

  7. Well if it was me I’d probably write a shitty book about monkeys or some shit and then shine my fucking bald cunt head and write stern letters to Abbie Smith boss.

    • Funny this yo: Laden’s “Monkey Book” is about how the Slyme Pitte got started to begin with, tho you don’t find out until nearly the end. A truly rollicking adventure. Yo.

  8. Now try trolling the A+ forums just to see how tolerant those safe spaces turn out to be.

    • D4M1ON, I’m pretty sure this is you… Do you really think no one has tried that? This was partly my point, the A+’ers and FtB’ers have had shit loads of trolls and that is why they act in the way they do. The Pit… Not so much…

      Another thing I did not really put in my post was how whenever there was a post of fake child porn, or someone came from the A+ forum boasting about trolling them and looking for cookies… Guess who it was? Yup me, the token troll apparently… So one person trolls them and the whole dynamic changes – paranoia reigns and I wasn’t even a particularly nasty troll. I didn’t d0x anyone, I didn’t demean or slur anyone and really try and get under their skin… I took the piss a bit.

      You reckon you can understand a bit better why the A+’ers and FtB’ers react the way they do when someone trolls them? If the cool kids at the pit cannot take a bit of trolling without over-reacting, and they did over-react, see the fake comments here (Thanks guys!) — how can you seriously expect the A+’ers and FtB’ers to act any differently to their trolls?

    • Also on further reflection – which is better, the A+, FtB’er way of banning idiot trolls or the pit way of responding ad-infinitum derailing their conversation and making them say and do all sorts of not particularly intelligent things? To be fair there were plenty on there saying don’t feed the troll, why are you dancing to his tune… They took no notice… I even posted a few comments suggesting they would be better off heeding the suggestions (Admittedly trolling again but still…)

      I reckon I’ve proven fairly conclusively that a ban is the best way — for all concerned — free speech is fine until you meet a troll with only lulz in mind. Does this mean we will hear no more complaints from the pit about ‘free speech’ when they are trolling? Newp!

  9. Go ahead Oolon, pry off my panties and bust the crust. You’ll never look at grilled cheese the same way again.

  10. I made a doody

  11. This really is from the SYG guy…

    First of all, you’re not clever. They all knew you were attempting to troll. You were an obvious troll, and not successful at all. They only ever responded to you or mentions of you to say “he’s a troll / boring / ignore the troll.” OR they responded in order to counter-troll you, sometimes successfully. You have an unbelievable inability to realize when the joke is on you (hint: always). The pit was divided into 2 camps, those who were ‘sick of the running oolon joke’, and those who weren’t sick of fucking with you.

    You’re now dox’ing yourself attempting to make yourself look like a martyr who was already endlessly harassed with IRL consequences (though you know goddamn well they have no interest in fucking up your life.) It’s pathetic.

    About that image I posted. I remembered the meme from 4chan a long time ago. There was a thread talking about photoshopping pictures of people (celebs, politicians, random people, etc.) to look like they just had been ‘facialized’. Several examples were posted, and then others started posting theirs too. It was also joined with a Towelie joke (South Park) at some point. Also in the thread were real instances of (mostly Japanese, legal age) porn where girls went shopping or otherwise in very public places with… extremely gooey faces. So the meme is a real thing, and a fake thing… hard to explain.

    As I said in my parting apology post on the pit, I didn’t pay attention to which image I grabbed to crosspost. I had it in thumbnail size, and didn’t notice that I grabbed one featuring a youngish looking (not Japanese) girl, and it was indeed a photoshopped one. I didn’t want to explain the nuances of why idiot 4channers would do this, but it’s not uncommon.

    Here are related concepts:

    “X-ray” photoshopping

    “Bubble” photoshopping

    So the goo is ‘shopped in that picture. Maybe it doesn’t seem to fit the stereotype of ‘kiddie porn’. The thing is, I’m not a lawyer. I don’t know if that shit is illegal or not. It’s still a sexual image of a girl who may or may not be old enough (regardless of the lack of nudity, and regardless of the faked semen). But beyond laws, it’s completely unethical to sexualize a girl who ‘looks like she’s 14′. Fuck worrying about the law man, stop defending that picture because it’s just fucking wrong. Delete it if you did screen cap. I deleted the imgur link within 30 seconds of somebody pointing out her age (I hadn’t looked at the girl in a big enough window, assuming it was one of the dozens of non-borderline obviously legal age instances).

    I’ve moderated places before, and I would have banned anybody for what I did.

    They offered to let me come back, after my explanation / apology, but really… I don’t deserve it and I’m pretty fucking embarrassed that I made a mistake like that. I still might come back if I get over that, but I burned the fuck out of my bridges. (sorry pit, sorry sacha!) Lsuoma and I talked about it, and I appreciated how fast people put away their pitchforks and torches, but fuck shit jesus did I ever fuck up.

    This is probably the last time I’ll use this (stupid) nickname.

    • I said I wasn’t clever, that is the point, it is easy to troll. You don’t have to be not ‘spotted’ to be a successful troll. Would you not agree @SammyBoals was a troll? Obvious one but a troll anyway and successful in its eyes as it annoyed and upset people. The pits approach is that you should just ignore such beasts and not get worked up about them — any mistakes the FtBers or Skepchicks make in dealing with them are leapt upon in delight.

      I agree, Mykeru was obviously not going to ‘ice pick’ me any more than Tony was going to spread rumours about me being a pedo for your posting that pic. But when Rebecca or Amy respond to a troll – they are idiots – they should ignore them. How do you think the pit would respond if Greg Laden got angry at a troll (Or decided to ‘troll’ them back) and stated in a public forum he was going to ‘hunt down and ice pick’ the person involved? Pretty clear how they’d react… Regardless of how obvious it was he was not serious.

      I didn’t d0x myself…I was ‘d0x’d’ by Magritte on the pit. You can have a look, Lsuoma did not remove the references despite not knowing I had an ‘About Me’ here. So you are right that I don’t care about anonymity, why would I? But the principle is there and yet again how would the pit react to a d0x on FtBs that was not removed? They quote the Pappa/Rationalia one even though it was removed! So again double standards when they are being trolled by an obvious troll!

      About the pic – there was no overt sexual activity but the photoshopped intent was obvious. I didn’t screen cap it but it is out there for all to see anyway… I doubt anyone will be getting arrested over it any time soon. Nice to see you have more scruples about porn than I do – even if it *looks* like they are young it is wrong – better get on the phone to pretty much every porn creator in the US about schoolgirl porn and shaved actresses. How about extending that concern for the harm to women from calling them cunts when the pitters disagree with them? How about their descriptions of the women who also disagree with them as ‘fat’, ‘old’ etc? Demeaning attitudes to women can come from words as well as pictures…

      If I had to guess I’d say you were a victim of their paranoia, you can see above Mykeru is convinced you are me. They are sure FtB’ers are constantly socking and trolling them, or at least they were after I’d been there a little while. Why wouldn’t they think this? They are constantly socking and trolling FtBs and the A+ forum… Big whoop, as you say, not clever.

      Finally I’ll re-iterate, I’m not a martyr I don’t think I’m one. I’m not clever, trolling is easy. I don’t think the pitters want to mess up my life – or why would I not be bothered about anonymity? I work in IT I can easily install Tor and be completely anonymous, but that level of freedom is not required if you are not doing anything illegal or if you are not in danger from being ‘outed’ as gay, atheist, trans* etc. So it doesn’t apply to me… The greater internet fuckwad theory does apply, although the pitters might say I was a fuckwad and not anonymous – I didn’t threaten, I didn’t slur and I didn’t demean. I took the piss a little, bring out the fainting couch …

      • I said I wasn’t clever, that is the point, it is easy to troll.

        I agree it is easy to troll, but you didn’t ‘successfully troll’. In fact, the joke really is on you. You invested a huge amount of time, where as on an individual basis, they wasted 10 seconds, and had fun coaxing you into wasting much much much more time (or ignored you).

        The pits approach is that you should just ignore such beasts and not get worked up about them — any mistakes the FtBers or Skepchicks make in dealing with them are leapt upon in delight.

        This is where you are off. I know you understand that they are a diverse group. The pit was (and continues to be) largely playing by ‘blog house rules’, especially at first when the elevator-gate shitstorm kicked off.

        If a pitter posts on FtB (especially if taking the trouble to use a sock puppet), they don’t say ‘cunt’ ‘whore’ ‘bitch’ ‘twat’. Calm rational dialog was attempted, even with the concession of not using ‘gendered slurs’ etc. It was met with irrational response, emotional response, and group think. That was a powder keg just waiting to be exploited by Laden, PZ, Svan (who in turn influenced the more rational FtB crew, who likely just ‘take their word for it’)

        I actually agree with you on some of the actual issues, and I don’t use the slurs and I believe that many of the FtB crowd are definitely right about some things. It’s the way they shut down conversation and go on witch hunts with their absurdly large microphones (compare their reach VS the pit) that convinced me.

        I agree, Mykeru was obviously not going to ‘ice pick’ me any more than Tony was going to spread rumours about me being a pedo for your posting that pic. But when Rebecca or Amy respond to a troll – they are idiots – they should ignore them.

        Rebecca and Amy (and the rest of them) respond without conveying an understanding that it’s a troll. They are pointing at filthy little scarecrows while they rally the troops against a ‘real sexist threat’. Rebecca probably really does have a stalker or two, and I really do sympathize. She does *not* have dozens / hundreds of stalkers. Stalkers really are fucking scary people and work in ways that are difficult to detect / explain / control / block. But obvious trolls are obvious. Furthermore, pitters are smart enough to realize that some of the FC(n) are capable of detecting trolls, but actively choose to pretend it’s not a troll.

        How do you think the pit would respond if Greg Laden got angry at a troll (Or decided to ‘troll’ them back) and stated in a public forum he was going to ‘hunt down and ice pick’ the person involved? Pretty clear how they’d react… Regardless of how obvious it was he was not serious.

        Agreed here, but only if you substitute someone else other than Laden. Laden is a right and proper asshole of the highest magnitude, and quite a loose cannon. His ‘internet tough guy’ routine is perfectly countered by Mykeru.

        I didn’t d0x myself…I was ‘d0x’d’ by Magritte on the pit. You can have a look, Lsuoma did not remove the references despite not knowing I had an ‘About Me’ here. So you are right that I don’t care about anonymity, why would I? But the principle is there and yet again how would the pit react to a d0x on FtBs that was not removed? They quote the Pappa/Rationalia one even though it was removed! So again double standards when they are being trolled by an obvious troll!

        Similar missteps on both sides does not mean FtB is magically CORRECT!!!

        About the pic – there was no overt sexual activity but the photoshopped intent was obvious. I didn’t screen cap it but it is out there for all to see anyway… I doubt anyone will be getting arrested over it any time soon.

        Not sure how it could be out there for all to see if you didn’t cap it, but I agree it’s likely not technically illegal.

        Nice to see you have more scruples about porn than I do – even if it *looks* like they are young it is wrong – better get on the phone to pretty much every porn creator in the US about schoolgirl porn and shaved actresses.

        You’re an idiot. 4chan has lots of young users (underage). On the other hand, porn companies are *required* not only to have age verification, but to maintain public records, preemptively dispelling any questions along these lines. I have no problem with the porn you describe. I have a problem with adult(s) taking a (potentially real) 14 year old’s picture and fake-jizzing all over it.

        How about extending that concern for the harm to women from calling them cunts when the pitters disagree with them?

        If a pitter calls a person a ‘cunt’ at a meat or web space controlled by somebody they KNOW abhor the word, they should be removed from that meat or web space.

        By the same token, if the FC(n) is purposely trawling web or meat spaces where the word is expected to have a different connotation, or ironic usage etc., they are being ridiculous at best. They have no right to hold 4chan, slymepit, accountable for regional, social, or topical variations on the acceptability of a word.

        If I had to guess I’d say you were a victim of their paranoia, you can see above Mykeru is convinced you are me.

        That is kind of funny. And painful. You are a piece of shit, and I happen to agree with some of the shit you say (but I don’t attempt to troll, or argue in bad faith, I just disagree and make my case). It sucks that I’m looked down upon as ‘similar to oolon’.

        They are sure FtB’ers are constantly socking and trolling them, or at least they were after I’d been there a little while. Why wouldn’t they think this? They are constantly socking and trolling FtBs and the A+ forum… Big whoop, as you say, not clever.

        Not sure what you are getting at here… some of them are clever. If you understood how important it is to troll undetected (if trolling is your goal), you might realize that it’s possible to be wrong and clever.

        Finally I’ll re-iterate, I’m not a martyr I don’t think I’m one.

        Good. Stop dox’ing yourself. Remove your name here and stop baiting your rivals into solely using your real name, thus coloring your next ‘look at the bullies’ line. Lsuoma may not have removed every reference, but by the time I had heard of you (on again off again reading of the pit), it was standard to reference it on rare occasions but only without using your real name. If you hadn’t posted this, I’d never have known.

        I’m not clever, trolling is easy.

        You’re not clever, and trolling is not easy (with intelligent targets). Hence the need for clever false pretense when trolling. You’re just a standard FtB comment who got lost. Not a successful troll.

        The greater internet fuckwad theory does apply, although the pitters might say I was a fuckwad and not anonymous – I didn’t threaten, I didn’t slur and I didn’t demean. I took the piss a little, bring out the fainting couch …

        Am I to applaud you for not stooping to Laden’s threatening behavior? I don’t slur either, and I think you’d find that a great many of pitters refrain as well. You drank the piss a little, but I wouldn’t let you sit on my couch – fainting or not. You download child porn. ;)

      • “huge amount of time”.. We are not really going to go into that argument? I spent a few minutes a night posting comments – cf. to ElevatorGates 6000+ tweets and 2000+ ‘stories’. No more time than the pitters, other than pasting a few things into here as I went along.

        Trolling as an art form O_o ? Err.. Yeah, right… So much harder than arguing your case in good faith… And the pit says the FtB-lot are going to damage the movement! If you look at how the key pitters got banned from FtBs then that rather damages your point — I was impressed with Steersmans well reasoned posts on there even though I rarely agreed… He got banned for calling Sally Strange an “ignorant cunt” and then feigning innocence of any misogynistic connotations there. He is one of the more intelligent on the pit, FtBs seems to retard their argumentative ability somewhat. The ‘highly intelligent’ under cover trolls are not evident from what I’ve seen, A+ usually flushes them out pretty fast with a little collateral damage. The pit then focusses on the collateral damage and crys “I told you so!”… Fair? I think not.

        “argue in bad faith”… Well when I ‘argued’ it was not in bad faith, when I took the piss it was with a troll face like the rest of the pit. My posts on other blogs were all stating things I believed, I just posted more outside to see how long it would take for the pit to pick it up…. What do you think of the pits obsession with everything and anything the ‘FfTB’ers’ say and do? Certainly didn’t make any sense in my case…

        How do you d0x yourself? Do you refuse to listen to people when they introduce themselves to you? I actually started thinking about it way back when John Welch and Michael K Gray tried to make some point about me being an anonymous coward on Thunderf00ts blog. I still believed some of the hyperbole that comes from the ‘other-side’ about how evil they all are — so didn’t ‘out’ myself there and then. Also it would have meant MKG and Welch crowing… Couldn’t have that ;-) … Anonymity on the net is the best and worse thing about it, I don’t need anonymity and I’d urge anyone else who won’t lose out to not be anonymous.

        I’m really not impressed with your defence of trolling – do you call yourself an atheist-sceptic? How do the principles laid out by the atheists and sceptics you admire align with that childish aim? There is nothing, no issue that cannot be solved by reasoned argument — this is surely a central tenet of scepticism?

        But like most of the pitters you have a good sense of humour and seem a reasonable person. I’ve said before and still stand by the view that some things said like “All misogynist scum” and “evil slymepit denizens” are pretty daft IMO. But I just cannot understand how reasonable people do such unreasonable things…. Even more bizarrely that is probably many on the pits view :-/

        • you’re crazy, but not in the ‘fun’ sex with an ex girlfriend way.

          “I’m really not impressed with your defence of trolling – do you call yourself an atheist-sceptic?”

          I never defended trolling, nor do I think it’s an art form. It may be an ‘art’ (as opposed to a science), but it’s not inherently good, or beautiful, or funny. I may have attempted to define it, but I didn’t defend it. I think both ‘sides’ are wrong. But one side is much ‘more wrong’. I also see that the Slime pit is diverse, and so is FtB. There are motherfuckers at the pit, and there are fatherfuckers at FtB. There also good people all around.

          You defined yourself as a contrarian, ‘team 0 or team 3′ (if given a choice between team 1 and 2). You’re a throwaway vote, a 3rd party candidate, ron paul spam.

        • Well I see both sides are ‘wrong’ in many ways same as you… One side is involving itself in use of misogyny to silence their critics. Even if all of Phawrongula is ‘right’ I’d not be on the pits side… Just saw on twitter a new incident where a female sceptic is annoyed by the hate on there and expresses a desire to get more involved in feminism as a result. ElevatorGates response? ““Skepticat” being a silly little girl” … That is incredibly demeaning and patronising, free speech!, sure but you have to see what effect it would have on any female sceptic thinking about speaking out about any misogyny they may encounter? Even if they are factually correct they’ll get shat on, bob help any getting anything wrong… There is no room for ‘to err is human’ in the pit lexicon.

          Pick a side or you are a ‘loser’? That is your position? I hope no one is voting on me… One of the most ridiculous things about the pit is the idea I’m representing my ‘side’. I’m sure I’ll be used as an example of how utterly horrible the ‘FfTB’ers’ are… But I’m not one. Its has some blogs in it that I like to read. So does patheos. So does scienceblogs. So does skepticink.

          I agree with some of what I see on all those networks, I diagree with some of what I see on all those networks. Anything else is a ridiculous strawman of the pits imagination. BTW has Tuvok been set on ‘troll’ for so long he cannot get off? Or is his ‘sucking peezus’s cock’ routine that Pappa Felch fed him years ago just become his default setting? He is not the only one with the ‘FfTBs’ meme routine either — are you happy with that aspect too — oh yeah its all trolling, they don’t mean it!

  12. Well I see both sides are ‘wrong’ in many ways same as you… One side is involving itself in use of misogyny to silence their critics.

    False. A handful of pitizens are using quasi-guerrilla troll tactics for lulz and ironic truth-detection, the goal is not to silence their critics. Yes, you could identify a few legitimate bad actors (on both sides). But are any of their critics silenced? No. Quite the opposite. They are maligned at all costs, no matter how slight their disagreement may be (keep in mind pit = diverse, other side not so much).

    Even if all of Phawrongula is ‘right’ I’d not be on the pits side… Just saw on twitter a new incident where a female sceptic is annoyed by the hate on there and expresses a desire to get more involved in feminism as a result.

    Feminism is a loaded word. ‘Equality Feminism’ and its remnants are easily defended… but radical feminism (as opposed to the goal of ‘equal treatment’) is a fad that is notorious for hijacking progressive movements.

    ElevatorGates response? ““Skepticat” being a silly little girl” … That is incredibly demeaning and patronising, free speech!,

    No. This is trolling. Fuck EG, especially if you take that seriously. Taking/drinking the piss, are we?

    sure but you have to see what effect it would have on any female sceptic thinking about speaking out about any misogyny they may encounter? Even if they are factually correct they’ll get shat on, bob help any getting anything wrong… There is no room for ‘to err is human’ in the pit lexicon.

    I don’t want females to get shat on simply for being females. But I don’t want them to get the de-facto upper hand if they make a reality-based (verifiable) claim that doesn’t hold up. Generally, I agree that women are targeted unfairly. But let’s have a damn conversation, not a witch hunt.

    Pick a side or you are a ‘loser’? That is your position?

    No. Take sides on each issue. Pit is diverse, other side sticks to a sometimes laughable script at all costs. It’s better to be capable of being right than incapable of being wrong.

    I agree with some of what I see on all those networks, I diagree with some of what I see on all those networks. Anything else is a ridiculous strawman of the pits imagination.

    How can you not realize that you’re describing the attitude of pitizen? It’s not about ‘free speech’, it’s about encouraging diversity of opinion, even some stupid ones. Stupid ones can be dismissed depending on the value of their claims…

    Look, it’s probably too late to fix it with calm dialog (though I assume that was your initial ‘best case scenario’ outcome, like me.) The sycophants are going to lose because they can’t sustain the critical mass required to bully / suppress all dissent. They are a cartoon version of themselves now, a caricature that they can never live down. For instance, Richard Carrier is a highly intelligent champion of atheism and rational thought, but now he’s the Joseph Stalin of the movement, and that’s a goddamn shame. He is fucking brilliant and he happened to be mostly right while drawing a line in the sand, standing on the wrong side. Hold his hand tightly, k?

    • quasi-guerrilla troll tactics for lulz and ironic truth-detection

      Unless you are using ‘quasi-guerilla’ troll tactics right now and this is all a joke – then the idea that you can get any truth by pushing people into an emotional reaction is pretty stupid, imo. Maybe you are using this magic against me now! I really didn’t like Inception it had too many layers of ‘reality’!

      I mean, really? As sceptics we are supposed to use critical thinking / the scientific method to determine ‘truth’ or at least an approximation or representative model of objective reality. I’d love to see some scientific papers that prove people are more truthful when stressed and angry rather than some cultural meme about never a truer word spoken in anger… Basically its horse-shit!

      pit = diverse, other side not so much

      Maybe you have some strange definition of ‘diversity’ and some proof to back up that claim.. but anyway I refer you to… http://alstefanelli.wordpress.com/2012/11/19/atheism-plus-radical-feminism-and-the-new-mccarthyism/#comment-8269

      radical feminism (as opposed to the goal of ‘equal treatment’) is a fad that is notorious for hijacking progressive movements.

      Strawfeminists abound in the pit, maybe because there are so many MRAs there, I dunno. One example, sex positivity, the pit often goes on about the ‘prudes’ at FtBs and Skepchick. Rebecca will have everyone wearing burkas at the 2020 TAM. Blah. Blah. Bullshit again. Clearly – read Greta Christinas blog and tell me it isn’t.

      For the trolling points…See my reply to Mykeru below, I put what I wanted to say there.

      it’s about encouraging diversity of opinion, even some stupid ones. Stupid ones can be dismissed depending on the value of their claims…

      What if those stupid opinions are dehumanising to members of the community, you can express your stupid opinions elsewhere and not hurt people. You are not entitled to express those and have people calmly explain why you are being offensive over and over and over. I have a massive amount of patience, I rarely get angry (The pit didn’t manage it, PZ did for a day or so – hence my rant) but seeing Al Stefanelli seemingly wilfully misunderstand that Jon Stewarts use of ‘cunt’ was ironic and it ‘justifies’ use of the word… FFS that is so basic that it annoys after a while, if I was female and affected by sexism I think I’d definitely be angry! Ophelia just put a big sigh in the post. http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2012/11/how-to-tell-the-diff-er-ence/

      I don’t want females to get shat on simply for being females. But I don’t want them to get the de-facto upper hand if they make a reality-based (verifiable) claim that doesn’t hold up.

      That is telling for me, you see their emotional response as a tactic to win an argument? Seriously it is fun to argue, you won’t hear any disagreement from me. But the aim is for YOU to learn (Or laugh ;-) ), there is almost no way of you ‘winning’ the argument or that win/loss having any material effect on the accepted truth of the subject. You don’t lose ANYTHING by saying sorry I see I am treading on a sensitive subject here and walking away. They don’t gain from it either!

      In terms of the subjects that I presume you are talking about, sexism, rape, harassment, etc. Do you really think the truth or generally accepted view in society is shaped by commenters in a forum? The callers into The Atheist Experience often go off on one about the origins of the Universe and details of Quantum Mechanics… Until Dunning-Kruger is pointed out and it is pretty obvious you are not going to get to the ‘truth’ of anything on a pop-show or a blog, definitely not a comment section or a forum FFS!

      So why is it important these women listen to you pontificate on what is ‘reality’? It will have no effect other than to upset them, even if you are right is it worth it? The truth will out and the effect of blog posts and commenters in forums is like a gnats bite on an elephants arse.

      Richard Carrier is a highly intelligent champion of atheism and rational thought, but now he’s the Joseph Stalin of the movement, and that’s a goddamn shame.

      No he isn’t – he wrote one badly thought out blog post with some emotion in. I must admit I see him as ‘Mr Logic’ from the UK comic Viz. A Slymepitter ideal of rational thought with no emotion and millions of references everywhere. At times brilliant, as you say, but generally pretty dry and sometimes boring. Obviously emoting is not his strong suit and it went badly.

      Since when does ONE poor post make someone “the Joseph Stalin of the movement”?? Fuck the Slymepit and PZs stupid hyperbole, in my world people are fine to make mistakes otherwise everyone will be on eggshells scared to be controversial or say anything out of line. Avicenna, new FtB’er, seems to be losing his ‘Home Birth is Bad’ post at the moment (imo). I don’t think I’ll string him up because of it thanks! So which is the side that ‘shuns’ and ‘shames’ again? It is so hard to tell them apart at times… (Back to the fence chafing my butt crack)

  13. A couple clarifications:

    1. I didn’t claim categorically claim SYG and Oolon were one and the same. I simply pointed out a couple of linguistic tendencies and Oolon immediately jumping on the Photoshop and jumping around waving it in the air like he personally cured cancer. I thought the timing was interesting and deserved consideration.

    Obviously, I was wrong to consider it because the comparison with Oolon made SYG feel bad in a way I can’t imagine and really, no one works with Oolon. His own mother probably put Purell on her tits after breast feeding him

    2. I am too going to totally ice-pick Oolon. A lot. Quote mine that, you ninnies.

    • 1. I thought I jumped on the paranoia about it rather than the pic itself personally. It’s more interesting to me that this paranoia was present and the expectation that ‘FfTB’ers’ are trolling the Slymepit than whether you stated I did it definitively or not. Clearly you really believe that and its not an example of SYG’s meta-meta-trolling… Or is it!

      2. You display a disturbing lack of understanding of the term “quote mine”… Come X-day I’m gonna shove a can of spam so far up your arse you’ll be sneezing sausages for a week! Bring it on! Rawr! Etc.

      … Anyway I’ll re-iterate, I don’t think Mykeru is an axe wielding maniac. I referred to his blog and right-wing loon baiting early on in our exchange on the pit, he seems to think this tough-guy routine gets results for him and fancies trying it out on atheists. I saw your little tete-a-tete with Greg Laden, didn’t manage to goad him into much did you? Maybe you will eventually, good luck with that.

      … Soo the point is that goading, getting a reaction, then utilising that reaction to smear your opponents or get ‘one up’ on them is easy. The pit does it as SYG says with his guerilla-trolling explanation. I did it – I’ll admit I was not particularly ‘camo’ed’ up for the operation… Yeah that sort of gives away why reacting is a bit silly and SYG’s example of EG above is invalid, just a troll, you should ignore it. When the pit manages to not ignore the most obvious of obvious trolls from mount obvious they have no say in telling people to ignore the trolls! Well they do but I’ll shout HYPOCRITES from the treetops…

      Re-iterate, hypocrite not ‘axe maniac’, not ‘d0x’er’, not ‘free speech!11!!!’ not ‘meanies’ or whatever. There is no SLYMEWRONGULA and I have no interest in creating one as what people do when pushed by either extreme nastiness (@ElevatorGit @SammyBoals) OR by annoying toy-town trolls (oolon) does not prove a fucking thing. Lesson over. (Did I just say I proved nothing? Doh!)

  14. Eat a bowl of fuck.

    FWIW, I didn’t actually believe Richard Carrier is now ‘Joseph Stalin’. He’s still awesome, and he made a slight error. Extremely slight, actually, as he is quote mined like a motherfucker on that post. The surrounding sentences were quite important contextually.

    Anyway, I’m done playing the oolon game. You’re an idiot. There’s not a real back and forth with you, just a launchpad for your next line. See you on FtB, I suppose.

    • Eat a bowl of fuck.

      I already did, scroll up, all your comments are belong to me. ;-)

      Shame I was looking forward to seeing how you explain that trolling gets to the ‘truth’ better than the usual sceptic tools… Guess I’ll have to assume it doesn’t!

      FWIW, I didn’t actually believe Richard Carrier is now ‘Joseph Stalin’

      … Why the hell are you a slymepitter then? No really, why? Someone you think is awesome is torn apart by idiots for one post and… That is ok! I may be out here as apart from rare cases (e.g. Welch telling TF off over ‘hack’) pitters just obediently follow the anti-FtB party line… But if my assumption is correct then you are a fucking coward for not saying this is ridiculous and speaking out! On the one hand the pitters don’t want ‘groupthink’ on the other hand they are happy to go along with character assassination of bloggers they think are ‘awesome’ and ‘excellent’. Well don’t be scared little pitters, have a look at my blog, what is the worst that can happen if you disagree!

  15. Shame I was looking forward to seeing how you explain that trolling gets to the ‘truth’ better than the usual sceptic tools… Guess I’ll have to assume it doesn’t!

    Are you mental? Of course trolling isn’t a better way to get to the truth. Trolling is a way to… troll. Eating apples isn’t a method of eating oranges.

    Why the hell are you a slymepitter then? No really, why?

    I’m not a slymepitter. I’m a person. What the fuck are you?

    Hint. You’re this guy: ‘Freddy the retarded’

    Alt link:

    • A handful of pitizens are using quasi-guerrilla troll tactics for lulz and ironic truth-detection

      What is ‘ironic’ truth? Not truth then apparently…

      I’m not a slymepitter. I’m a person.

      Why do you support their cause then? Given they seem to have no scruples in attacking a person you admitted to admiring for no particular reason… But the FtBs lot are awful by comparison!

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