So there is this post about “Rock Beyond Belief” moving to Patheos, yay Justin Griffith is going to blog more … Oh wait, some rather unpleasant slyme seems to have got stuck onto the end of the post. This is based on a comment I posted there but it was long enough and I didn’t want to expand on this subject too much on that thread.
Did you know that he [PZ] recommended and linked to cartoons of women being *raped* by octopus-like tentacled animals?
Why no I didn’t know that,shall we have a look into the claim?
WARNING Not Safe For Work (NSFW) LINKS!
So PZ has this post and the anti-FTB mythologists then link to the wayback machine as a death blow for that now broken link, here. OOPS! The sharp eyed immediately notice that Strawkins and PitchGuest (I think Stawkins created this rubbish, presumably on the Slymepit) link not to the same URL as PZ but a different one on the same site. I wonder why. Lets have a look at the actual page PZ linked to… Here.
Somewhat less porn and focussed on the origins of tentacle porn in Japan and how it is currently expressed. Not my thing but each to his or her own kink. Translate the page and lift yourself off the fainting couch and read it, quite interesting about the origins of tentacle rape porn in Japan. But its taboo! Feminists are all sex negative harridans and couldn’t possibly condone even linking to this heresy! PZ’s linking to an article discussing the origins of it while not condoning it clearly means he is fine with ALL TENTACLE RAPE PORN EVAR!
(In fact he discusses how he dislikes the use of tentacles as proxy dildos or penises in his kinky porn here. )
Here is where I came across this (Oooh errr, fnaar fnaar! *Level of discussion*) from MozesZD. I recommend reading in Maude Flanders voice and adding “Won’t someone think of the children!!!” after this bit -
Rape porn. Beastiality porn. Fisting. Degradation of women. Objectification of women. Women giving blow jobs. Women with semen dripping out of their mouths.
WOMEN GIVING BLOW JOBS? OH.MY.GOD!!!eleventy!!1!… What exactly is wrong with fisting or sucking a bit of semen, let alone consensual degradation or objectification in a kink context? Shame most of that was not in the link PZ actually provided but even so a prude would object but thats about it. Putting dead sea creatures on your naked bod and taking a picture or drawing it is wrong now? I object to that as a vegetarian not the porn aspect.
Greta Christina discusses this issue of fantasy in kink nicely here. The bigger issue for me is how are we supposed to have an intelligent, adult, conversation with the anti-FTB people as is often discussed? Have a look at that post there is no one saying that this sex-negative bullshit smells a bit off, Justin Griffith who I admire as an atheist blogger spews it out on his post. Why? To score some cheap points against FTBs not to make any real or interesting point about kink. This has been on my mind recently as in a conversation with Rich Sanderson on Twitter I mentioned Michael Shermers article on how racism is an unconscious bias we all are subject to. Article is here if you are interested, shame Shermer couldn’t extend that line of thinking to misogyny. Rich’s response? To assert that all #FTBullies are racist and I just admitted to being a racist, he totally refused to address anything in the post. Cheap point scoring is what many want not dialogue **.
** Not necessarily true of all the Slymepit, some have even left it recently due to the hyperbole there. SIN have kicked Justin Vacula off the network for his support of AVfM, so progress is there and many are realising that a dogmatic anti-FTB position just makes them look as foolish as MosesZD , Rich, PitchGuest and Strawkins.